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Off Topic: Not Our Mess - Last Call #98

The AH Crew get in the hot tub to talk about Extra Life streams, new video games, and more on this week's Last Call!

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  • EliJayFly FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The description is a little bit wrong

  • creatingshelby FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Shelby

    1 month ago

    I love how you can definitely tell who the dad is 

  • Aint_No_Robutt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold not a robut

    1 month ago

    I'm fine with Auto drive as long as I can take back over. I don't want Automatic cars wherein I cannot drive by myself. Driving is fun and incase someone hacks or there's a road that's not on the map, I want to be able to take back over. (there are actually a few roads not mapped/incorrectly mapped and one or two that weren't officially in place). Also they probably won't allow automatic cars to speed/do donuts/offroad (atleast for awhile)

  • Dabuscus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Nice job on the description 

  • EighthLegacy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    the level of ignorance in calling tortillas and beans TexMex is baffling. Thats just Mexican food. 

  • Myloflex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold wow...since 2004...has i

    1 month ago

    Ryan "always hungry" Haywood

  • OneBurntWitch FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    @Trevor @5:28 I'm against autonomous cars simply because of *one* thing: Someone who doesn't know what they're doing is going to try and bodge the AI and break it, causing accidents. It's the human element.

    • Flux_Casey FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      Uh, I hate to break it to you? But the human element is pretty involved with the current method.

  • 408612 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    what time will Extralife start this year?

  • hyliaschosenhero FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I really like Alfredo

  • American-Pyscho FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

     I can understand the benefits for self driving cars and even though I do enjoy driving and would be sad to stop, there is a greater anxiety I feel about it all(and lets be real, the entire enhancement of our technology and AI). I guess the hesitance I feel with self driving cars is still good old human error. In addition to that, the decision making when it comes down to a serious solution, kinda like an Irobot situation or the Trolley dilemma. When something inevitably goes wrong because of human error, who pays for it? I can't really say why I feel more comfortable that a human makes that call rather than a machine, but I do. Perhaps just the idea that a car isn't human and does not have the emotional intelligence or morals we have. 


    The OTHER concern I have with it is strictly economical. Self driving vehicles means a lot of people losing their jobs. I am sure people are like, oh but that's safer, and while I am inclined to agree, considering I loathe semi drivers, I am afraid what that will mean for millions of people losing their jobs. That's a giant industry we are taking away. My opinions may be in the minority here and I am sure I don't know ALL the facts nor am I an expert, but those are my major reluctance towards autonomous cars. 

  • stabzilla FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    TEAM SAME VOICE & TEAM SAME BOYS!! Great podcast, love the banter between the four.

  • norielle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    there is no opinion from jack i will ever disagree with more than cali having inferior mexican food to texas. trust me, there are places that have shitty mexican food, and the four states bordering mexico aren't the ones that are going to be those places, adding to the reminder that texas isn't the only state that borders it.

  • ItmeJP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Every so often, Alfredo will sound a little bit like Lumpy Space Princess.

  • EricHVela FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold doesn't get breaks.

    1 month ago

    Robocars will have to be separated onto special robo-only, heavily-monitored, and heavily-maintained roadways. When it comes to automation, people are the lynchpin. When it comes to digital intelligences, they have low tolerances for deviations. It'll be costly to combat the people-factor to make robo-cars work. Instead of making it easier to drive which will just put more vehicles on the road, put that money into making more efficient machines and make public transportation more viable.


    They make this an old vs. young issue. Some people have had a lot more experience with the variety of minds out there and with the repeatedly disastrous attempts to homogenize any part of society - and people keep trying and keep getting disastrous results. People are too unique for that. Younger people are used to institutionalization of the standardized education system - no free thinking allowed (despite the insistence that they promote free thinking - as long as you think they way they want you to think). Older people have lived by their own means and thoughts and individual perspectives for an age. So, yes. It's an old vs. young issue - or rather an experienced vs. inexperienced issue. The experienced know that nothing is simple and that we'll never know everything. The inexperienced believe that everything should be simple and that they know everything - as they've been told to believe.


    "To summarize the summary of the summary: People are a problem." -Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

  • JCLegoMan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Too poor for double gold

    1 month ago

    I'm all for self driving cars but I just don't want to wake up one day to have my car drive over me during the greater robot revolution.

  • crazyshimhat1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I'm all for autonomous cars, but they would need to run on a separate road system so that those who still wish to drive themselves can without having to worry about robo-cars going 150 and zipping around them constantly.

  • themoosemessiah FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    im all for self driving cars, as long as we can still legally drive our own cars. whether its on different lanes or something else, but i like driving, i like my control

  • skimwilk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold *drinks milk*

    1 month ago

    I'm from Indiana.  I was oddly weirded out when Ryan didn't understand that Indy meant Indianapolis.  I haven't even type the full name in like years. 

    • Liashi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      I'm from the East Coast and have never been to Indianapolis myself, let alone Indiana, but my first guess would have been one of those two. I was even a little surprised that both Jack and Ryan seemed to draw blanks. I mean ... the Indy 500 is a pretty famous race?? I would even have thought Jack the kind of guy who could be into sitting around drinking beer for hours while cars go around an oval 500 times but ... maybe not. lol.

    • ssyoung FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Same here! Also felt the need to start singing "Back Home Again in Indiana" joy

  • MarkNuttFISH FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    i already dislike driving cars in general, but if I’m going to be driving, I atleast want to be the one manually in control.

  • TinaBobina FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wubba Lubba Dub Dub

    1 month ago

    Please stop with the CA "Mexican" food hate. We eat plenty of cheesy goopy Tex Mex. I mean to most of us that IS Mexican food.

  • TinaBobina FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wubba Lubba Dub Dub

    1 month ago

    Well lobster is pretty good but as a transmission device for butter it's even better.

  • MikeSG87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    The only argument you've heard against self-driving cars is that people want to be able to drive their cars themselves? really? I've heard lots of people saying that they don't trust the decision making system and computers.

    • someguyontheinternet FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      I mean the people programming the decision making are the same people you already drive the roads with so idk

  • Nomrah FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I loved this podcast! The cooking shenanigans was great, I hope they do a part 2 during Extra Life!

  • PureMatty FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    off topic, now with less talking and more... AH guys.. doing stuff

  • Icky427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Icky

    1 month ago

    lol @ alfredo cheesing it when he realizes hes the only one left haha

  • ExtraClippz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Deep fried peanut butter and jelly sandwich in funnel cake batter with powdered sugar on top. We sell these at festivals. 

    • RyanFlannery FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      And still wonder as to how fat some people get.

    • FirenautPhx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Phoenician

      1 month ago

      Fine, fine. We'll add some fried DIET Coke.

    • ExtraClippz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      oh I've probably given people heart attacks with these. I don't eat them because I can feel my arteries clogging with each bite.

  • kadax FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I will happily throw money at Extra Life for "Ryan's Cooking Hour". If people actually eat what he cooks... even better. 

    • Icky427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Icky

      1 month ago

      after what was eaten last year, i think they will eat pretty much anything.

    • RyanFlannery FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Either of you around for Cheesemaster Gus?

    • kadax FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Nope never heard of it haha http://i.imgur.com/xKjgN5E.png

    • killerrin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      The best part of that image isn't even Gus. Its Blane in the background with a condom over his head

  • zebry13 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    They didn't mention all of the jobs that would be lost because of automated vehicles. I mean in the near future taxi drivers, truck drivers, uber/lyft drivers, etc. could all be out of a job. 

    • Icky427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Icky

      1 month ago

      thats a valid point, but this isnt the first time there has been a big change in the way the world does a certain thing and lots of jobs went away. we have to change with the times.

    • emsuperstar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      That's what I was going to say! This is one of the biggest legislative hurdles autonomous vehicles will face considering there will be millions of voters who won't be happy about machines taking over their jobs, and legislators are going to have to wrestle with that when it gets to the hill.

    • RyanFlannery FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      This is why we need basic income. Automation is coming and we need to get ahead of it and have policies in place so those millions of people who rely on driving to feed their families.  However; self-driving technology is at least a decade away from being completely human free.

    • Liashi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Personally I don't think we are only a decade out from self-driving technology being completely human-free--I'd guess at least two if not more decades for human-free driving in any significant portion of the country. The problem won't be with consumer/business interest or the technology to do it, but the infrastructure to do it on. We aren't even keeping up with maintaining our current bridges and roadways and we fail at mass transit, although perhaps the one thing that could fix all that in this country is private investment. Anyway, just the construction of the dedicated roadways for driverless cars will take at least a decade. Roads like we need are hardly going to spring up overnight.

  • Obsolete18 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    why does the description say they get in a hot tub?

    • kcazakor FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      copy-pasta'd from last week

  • theladi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold lah-dee-dah

    1 month ago

    Alfredo talking about them taquerias is such a relief from the usual tacos they talk about.

  • Admiral343 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I do support 'ROBOT CARS' (Demarais C 2015), but an argument I have heard is that it well drive truck drivers from their jobs, which is a very large seasonal employer in Rural Australia. Don't know how you would deal with that. Employment changes is always an issue in automation of anything.

    • Kingxanose FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      it wouldn't though, you'd still need a "Driver" who is there to take care of paperwork and to make sure that the right freight is loaded/unloaded. 

    • Ravage369 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      And lets be honest whens the last time a piece of technology worked 100% of the time? Even if cars go fully autonomous there will always be that manually component just in case....at least if they're smart.

  • CherryRose FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Need a change of scenery

    1 month ago

    So when do we get a new series featuring Treyco and the Sauce? I'd watch that!

    • PolygonByte FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      +1000 Agreed! Would absolutely love to see a series with the Sauce Man and Treyco!

  • EthanM. FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    The main criticisms I have heard for autonomous cars is that if they are totally autonomous without the ability for a driver to interfere there is a situation where your car will choose to kill someone either you or another driver or a pedestrian or a cyclist(even if all cars are autonomous the rest of the world isn't trees fall, people walk into the street, animals run into the road, cyclists ignore traffic rules) and if they are not totally autonomous there are people who will trust the autonomy so much that they will not be ready to take over in the event of an emergency(this has been seen already with the limited autonomy we do have). They did address the hacking thing in the show but Trevor was super quick to dismiss it which I don't think he should be any fully autonomous vehicle would have to be always connected in order to receive live updates about traffic or roadworks or weather conditions or accidents and that leaves you basically always open to a cyber attack. The last one I have heard commonly is that it would drastically change vehicle maintenance, take it out of the hands of people forcing them either to go to dealers or very specially licensed garages and increase the costs(this also happened in the past with the introduction of computers into vehicles).

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      1 month ago

      A lot of car manufacturers already require going directly to the dealer for a lot of stupid internal shit besides the electronics, specifically so they can get money directly (late stage capitalism what up) and to be worried about autonomy more than user error is ridiculous to me. I've been driving for 3 years and have already come extremely close to death due to senile old people not knowing what the fuck they're doing way too many times. If most people were strapped up and driven by a robot I would feel 10000000 times safer. 

    • LHprs FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Couple things to add (in my own non-expert opinion):

      -You'll have to REALLY figure out traffic.  See all the cars on the road now?  Add in all the autonomous vehicles WITHOUT drivers (going to pick up people from the airport, bar, whatever), and you've effectively doubled the amount of cars at any given moment.

      -Think of an airport.  Plane lands, EVERYONE on that flight calls for their car to meet them at the airport.  Congratulations, you've got 400 cars all meeting up at the same time.  And that's ONE plane.

      -Sure, self-driving cars wilil work great when then all talk to each other.  However, there is going to be the unavoidable transition period with half self-driving cars and half not.  Until you can program a car to FLAWLESSLY interact with non-perfect normal vehicles, you're going to have a hell of a time.

      -Self driving cars already exist.  They are called PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.  Now, this may just be me and my "I want a better horse" backwards views, but to me the popularity (or distinct lack of) of taxis, buses, etc. can give a pretty good indication of how self-driving cars are going to do.  Which, after the novelty factor wears off....?

      -People WILL tinker with these things.  Name me one piece of personally owned technology that NOBODY, at any point, has taken apart and modified.  Unless you pass laws banning it, which will just further incentivize people to buy them in the first place [/sarcasm].

      I may be biased, because I'm a fairly avid motorcyclist, but to me, I've got enough to worry about on the road already.  Adding in computers to the mix just really, really scares me.  Call me old, but I don't hate the concept of a self-driving car.  I just think it's a solution desperately searching for a problem.

    • Ivan-MH FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Im not criticizing your statement just giving counter points. 


      -Autonomous cars would be replacing vehicles not being added on top of all that other cars, so for every self driving car on the road that's one less regular one.


      -The airport is all ready congested and impossible to navigate. Passengers only get picked up services close to the airport every one else still has to walk to the parking garage and your assuming all the passengers have self driving cars. Even in a future were robo cars are accepted not everyone will afford them.


      -Your right that programming a robo car to FLAWLESSLY meshing with regular drivers will be incredibly difficult, but there are drivers on the road that cannot mesh with traffic currently. We cannot control everything and that's just the risk of driving. 


      -Public transport is not self driving there is still a driver that has to deal with all matter of people. I do agree that the first major use of self driving vehicles should be public transport because usually the people on there dont drive anyway.


      -Yes people will always mess with things but that is also true now. We can't stop some one from modifying their car and making it into a death machine or just making it faster. We also have laws against making cars or motorcycles into smog machines but people still do it out of spit and I'm pretty sure that has not factored into car sales.


      -I am a driving enthusiast when I heard that Michael, Gavin, and Ray could not drive I was flabbergasted because I could not imagine any one functioning in life with out that skill. That being said I would rather share the road with a computer than some of the people out there now.        

  • GreyGhost9036 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Angry Beaver

    1 month ago

    Im amazed they were able to talk about autonomous cars and Chris didnt pot out of nowhere. But on the topic i hope autonomous cars become a reality. I hate it when im at a light and end up not being able to get past the light because one or two cars in front of me didnt realize the light went green. 

  • Bartolomet FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Woo! Go Indiana!

  • Grimreaper9419 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    wonder if jack knows about the battered mars bar in scotland

    • matthewkhutton FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold jollymatth

      1 month ago

      Deep fried Mars bars are pretty common in New Zealand, as well. One of my favorite treats as a kid.

  • ZykBRooster FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I would love to see Trevor bail out of Naked and Afraid on the first day.

  • fozzie52 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    is it just me, or are they 100% not in a hot tub. Like the description says?

    • RemyLeBro FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Maybe it's a metaphorical hot tub? Because aren't we all just in some cosmic pool of hot water?

    • PolygonByte FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Wow I did not even read the description until I saw your comment. I think it might have been a mistake that was supposed to be used for last week's Last Call (since they were in a hot tub in that Last Call from the LP Reunion).

  • Advent1013 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Advent1013

    1 month ago

    A Burnt Monstrosity - #98 will be available: For FIRST Members - 4 hours ago

    EDIT: Luckily they managed to reupload, just wish I could delete this, now outdated, context-less comment.

  • MasterJericho FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Assassin

    1 month ago

  • mkerv5 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    So no actual episode of Off-Topic for First Members? Only the Last Call?

    • JekyllandHyde FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      it was a corrupted upload. They had it up earlier, but due to complaints about it not loading. they removed it, saying it had been corrupted and they were fixing the issue and it would be re uploaded a few hours later when that process was complete.