#23 Post Show

Heroes & Halfwits: #23 Post Show

Frank, Gus, Geoff, and Griffion talk about the Dragon and how the Magic Mirror played a roll.

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  • Klorix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    LOL, having your parents (apply to friends' parents respectively) not want you to play pen & paper RPG is just weird to me. 

    My parents played them even since before I was born until the mid 80s. We had The Dark Eye 2nd ed or something until recently, and I still own some of their olden dice. I was lucky, I guess.


    To this day my mom (57) plays RPGs on PC sometimes.

  • EthanM. FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    idk if it's because I'm binging through season 1 and 2 but people are ignoring or forgetting the clearly evil junk Ryan did season 1. He constantly advocated for killing people that surrendered, tortured slavers in the caves, threatened/intimidated the Wagoner in the city, and the stealing. He only laid off murder torture when Frank said in s1 that his alignment was shifting and told Gus that he could sense evil from Ryan

    • AstralViper FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      Killing drow slavers is not evil, it is doing the world a favor. With few exceptions drow are evil.

  • jakey455 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I was called a devil worshiper for watching and playing Yu-Gi-Oh.

  • Ayabara1013 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    honestly geoff and gus (mainly geoff) are starting to really piss me off, like I get ryan does shifty things, but honestly I think hes going WAY too far. basically pissing RYAN off for the sake of giving him the hardest time possible, instead of just his character

  • IamBluu7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Ryan is the Mad King after all. crown

  • TinaBobina FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wubba Lubba Dub Dub

    7 months ago

    Did anyone else ever see the ridiculous tv movie with Tom Hanks back in the 80s about D&D? I don't remember much but I think he lost his freakin' mind and I think someone might have ended up dead. Ok, looked it up and it was called Mazes and Monsters. I also once got one of those horrible "religious" tracts one day after leaving school that is in comic form and tells about the dangers of playing D&D. I kept it in my scrapbook. Way too funny. 

  • xiii-Dex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 1.048596

    7 months ago

    Hopefully either A) they return Albus to Chaotic Neutral, or B) Ryan completely embraces the shift even if incorrect, and screws them all over with comedic brilliance.

  • PoisedTick0 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago


    Honestly, Mogar - Lawful Good/ Bor Ealis - Lawful Good/ Orma - Chaotic Neutral/

    Bo Jingles - Chaotic /    Albus - Chaotic Neutral to Neutral Evil 

    Maybe everyone should retake an alignment quiz and see where they stand now then adjust for their past actions at their next level up. We've got people being clearly racist, theives that try to better the party, aggressive drunks, healing avengers, and aggressive pyromaniacs - then share on the post-show, for a laugh

  • TimeLordStarship

    8 months ago

    H&H is my favorite show from Achievement Hunter!

  • Creepy-Internet-Guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    The Votes are in!

    According to 139 of y'all Ryan's alignment is Chaotic Neutral!

  • TidalSoltair FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    any fellow Canadians, especially those from around Mississauga here? I'm only asking cause in my years being a fan I've never met anyone else who is, not in high school, and, not in college either 

    • Splot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Yep yep Canadian here! I'm in Ottawa now for school but my hometown's Toronto. I didn't know any fans either, so I made them.

      best advice - get your most susceptible buddy to watch a show and force them to binge slowly brainwashing them into enjoying rt content. worked for me.

    • TidalSoltair FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      i likes the way you think there friend im gonna give that a go it would be nice to have someone to actually fanboy with

    • kylebelerin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      I'm reasonably sure there is an RT Toronto group on Facebook and the RT website that you can use to connect with other fans in that area. I am from northern California and am in a fan group there that his meet ups and swapped around gamertags for playing together and talking about RT stuff. 

    • TidalSoltair FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      i'll try that hopefully they'll have members nearby me also i really hope i can find a D&D group there after watching this and twits and crits i really want to try playing the game with people but being a bit of an introvert i struggle to make friends but i find it easier if they seem to share similar hobbies

  • TyBracamonte FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ty

    8 months ago

    Okay time to get yelled at for my opinion. I love Ryan and his character and I think Gus is being a bit of a prick. I know it's RP. But the fact that Gus's character is a bigot makes him unlikable not to mention how he completely berated a long time member of the RT community last year. Also as someone who has read up a lot on D&D Ryan's character should be Chaotic neutral considering the people he has killed have not been innocent and the gem he stole  (if I remember right) was from a Duergar (Dark Dwarf) which are always evil aligned.  Hate me if you want but I'm a servant of the mad king.  ryan

    • theninjanerd FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Actually, it seems like the majority of the audience is on your side. Take a look at youtube and the most upvoted comments. Gus is being kinda sadistic.

    • Creepy-Internet-Guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      I think Bor Ealis should get hit with a bit of alignment change when he does not fight the next baddie that comes for the gem. As a paladin he is supposed to,

      Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting
      my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil. I choose the
      greater evil.

      By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can’t get in the
      way of exterminating my foes.


      These come straight out of the players handbook. Not helping Albus goes against some of the tenets of his Oath.

      unless he deems Albus the greater evil, in which case he would then have to kill Albus.

    • TyBracamonte FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ty

      7 months ago

      @theninjanerd Yeah I just looked at the YouTube video comments. XD Honestly the group owes a lot to Albus. 

    • TyBracamonte FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ty

      7 months ago

      hNkv9C.gif

  • JamesPreston FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    never watched a post show before, i should check them out more. this is funny stuff and gives more insight to each episode

  • dojinsin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    my opinion only.

    bojingles neutral evil

    orma neutral

    mogar chaotic good

    bor ealis  neutral evil 

    albus chaotic neutral   



  • BenFBS93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    The fact that Gus is happy that Ryan is unhappy pisses me off alot. I get that taking the piss outa eachother is funny, hell they do it alot and it is funny. But getting it to the point where one person is actually getting annoyed. Not cool, also Gus's character needs to have his alignment changed. He's a shit Paladin

    • TinaBobina FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wubba Lubba Dub Dub

      7 months ago

      Wouldn't it be cool if people knew what our alignments were in real life? What do you think Gus would be?

    • BigBadBob70 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      Gus would probably be Neutral Evil

  • MacDaddyMuffin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Ryans character is totally not evil

    • BigBadBob70 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      Bo Jingles is definately the most evil of the group, he's a pyromaniac and to top it off he's literally half-demon!

  • LadyPringle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kono Dio Da

    8 months ago

    "he's been dead for 20 years."

  • syteless FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Watching these makes me want to get into DnD, but I don't really know anyone to get into it with, and the people that are into it constantly seem to low-key talk the idea down.

  • xiii-Dex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 1.048596

    8 months ago

    Albus has really not done anything malicious. The hydration thing was walking the line, but it really was just doing what the rest of the party wanted but could not do. Perfectly chaotic neutral.


    The gem thing was really the only other thing he's done, and again not out of line for a chaotic neutral. And if that gem is worth 1000 gold pieces, that probably pales in comparison to the value of the property Bo has torched.


    Also, it's interesting to see people being able to comment that they don't like something, and not get downvoted into oblivion. Nice to see the community stick up for Ryan.

  • Kabyk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Man, Ryan's white knights are out in full form today. And they've called all their squires...and smiths....and kennelmasters....and everyone else to the banner as well.

    Not that I disagree, but damn it's like the Fifth Crusade in here or something - the zeal is real.

  • musicalgravy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    i also have to comment on how even the DM is okay with them bullying ryan for Meta reasons. (just to piss him off) Ryan has been fun to watch. Albus hasnt done anything "evil". removing Ryans "evil" nature and making gus not "good" would be a legit change... last time i checked; being a racist, unrelenting bully does not make you a good person. I also don't consider stealing "evil".  

    • theamazingmetapanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Stealing in of itself is a chaotic action in an enclosed vacuum with no motivations. Now, if you steal to help the poor then it's chaotic good. If you do it to just be a destructive asshole and to fuck someone over, then it's obviously more chaotic evil in nature. Stealing something just because the person feels like it, as well as for the benefit of oneself and the party, as Ryan did it is kind of a mixture of different alignments, but keeps very in line with the spirit of chaotic neutral.

    • TinaBobina FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wubba Lubba Dub Dub

      7 months ago

      Ryan has made it damn interesting to watch. Who wants boring? We like a little bit of spice.

  • Acekid1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Does Gus not realize Tiefling's have demon or devil blood? An imp while evil is a familiar so it's being controlled 

  • crovvv FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The All-Father

    8 months ago

    Yeah this is why I haven't bought a players handbook yet. $60 in Aus. :(

    • OMG_Laserguns FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      They're AU$55 (plus shipping) from The Combat Company! But at the same time, considering they're a large hardcover 300-odd page full colour book, they're actually not too badly priced. If you went to a bookstore and looked for a similar sized book on history or whatever, you'd easily be looking at AU$60-80, and don't even get me started on textbooks. Hell, just look at what GW charges for their Codexes, and the Player's Handbook starts looking pretty reasonable.

  • j3ssential FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wet Paper Towel

    8 months ago

    What I would have really like to see is Albus do is go "Wait, so the half-DEMON who can't stop sneaking off and lighting fires, and who at the very least pursued romantically another she-demon thing who stole something from ME is saying I'm the worst party member and not to be trusted?" *cracks knuckles* "Alright." and then proceed to go Mad King and give them a reason not to trust him.

  • JMills FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Albus is much more Chaotic Neutral rather than Neutral Evil, maybe even Chaotic Good though stealing the gem is little hard to justify. He killed a slaver, which fits into a Good alignment, who happened to be surrendering, which is chaotic over evil. Reckless abandon and all that jazz. Stealing the gem is more chaotic as well, not really evil stealing one of three gems, and the motivation was self benefit rather than detriment to someone else. Not like he ruined the dudes business, or burnt all of the stuff the guy had. That said, my favourite part of Heroes and Halfwits is the in group fighting ahaha

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      Thing is, with those 3 Drow kills, 2 out of 3 times he killed them whimsically, and 3 out of 3 times he killed them after promising to hydrate/spare them. 


      I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being Neutral Evil, I find Albus fucking hilarious and entertaining, but he is neutral evil. 

    • JMills FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Whimsically doing something is chaotic, not evil. Lying to captives is kinda rough, but in both cases there was more than just "He wanted to kill them" and that really shouldn't be enough to change alignment.

  • Pandabebz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Pandabebz

    8 months ago

    Holy shit, so many downvotes getting thrown around for people defending the episode. I, for one, was thoroughly entertained by it. Everyone defending Ryan, I get it, he seemed actually bothered by it (as well as Geoff saying so in this post show) and that sucks. They're all friends though. No one in this audience knows Ryan as well as the other people on the show. They won't push him to a place where he's going to stop doing it. You can be displeased by how much it happened because it wasn't funny to you, but keep in mind that others did find it funny. Any reason for not liking the episode beyond that just doesn't make sense to me.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      Unfortunately you got downvoted too. Unless you are literally defending Albus saying he's super lawful good and got the most kills ever and is the most valuable player of all time with 1000000 platinum pieces, you'll get downvoted.


      Albus is my favourite in the series, but man, the people in the comments here are fucking annoying, downvoting you because you think Albus deserves to be NE, fuck off.

  • FrankSchulze FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Being in the same situation as Ryan is currently in, I understand getting pissed and annoyed at everything and everyone. You are backed into the corner meanwhile 5 people (Yes including Frank because he has done 0 to alter this) are just consistently going at you, and this is over a 4 hour period? I would have just walked away, or as other comments have suggested, turned pure evil and started fucking everything up. If you continue down this path you are just going to create anger towards you for no reason other than enjoyment of pissing someone off. There is no point in that, no successful endgame, just further frustration.

  • Creepy-Internet-Guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Lets settle what Albus's alignments are with a Straw poll. Make sure to do a little homework about Alignments Here.

  • Klaurem FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    the dragon showing up made the mirror punishment absolutely brilliant. I hope more great stuff happens.

  • WhitneyWrtr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Guys...it's a game. I mean, technically I agree that the shit Albus is getting isn't warranted but these guys have been friends for a long time. They're mean to each other, it's how they show their love. Also, this just means Albus will just cause more problems for them, which will be hilarious. 

  • BenjyX55 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Inherently Oxymoronic

    8 months ago

    The "hydration" bit was Halfling Orma, not Albus.

  • Eamen FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Knowing the plight of an evil character constantly, being called out for things in the past that everyone agreed on at the time, Ryan is the only one NOT meta-gaming at this point. In the episode in question when Ryan killed the three slaver Drow Gus knowingly turned his back on the decision making because he realized it was a loose loose for him. As a paladin he had the ability to save and protect those in danger. as it takes 6 seconds for each co'degra. Alowing innocence to be murdered, as hes arguing Ryan (and the party was reaching that conclusion anyways) did, would also remove him from the paladin order. Ryan on the other hand never intentionally endangered the party, Unlike Bo Jingles who has endangered the party, killed innocence, and destroyed establishments through his constant use of fire. Gus has had no issue with such senseless destruction but has put such importance on one gem, from someone they lied to as a whole anyways, Again, against the paladin code. A gem mind you, that was taken as anything else would have been, because Ryan didn't know about the drougar or there tendencies or the importance of the gem. Also the only reason Ryan lies is to Protect the party, even those who he does not see eye to eye with. While Gus as a member of a holy order, Has endangered the party because of minor issues, exadurated by significant meta-gaming. Whats happening is the constant issue of nobody trusts a rogue because hes a rogue, in this case a warlock but the bluffing and sticky fingers still apply, which is meta-gaming. Something as a dm and player i always struggled with. But each character had lives before the group and a gem such as that, unless out of game bias was applied towards Ryan, would not of risen such a suspicion. Although i do agree that Ryan is far more Lawful Evil because of his actions. None of which is any more serious than simple theft and doing what the party has agreed apon. UNLIKE Geoff who has no regard to party safety or property damage or public safety. as his fires would likely start others and kill many more in the process. Or Michael who on several occasions has conducted himself as an agent of chaos, Public indecency, agreeing and not stopping the murder of 3 seemingly innocent slavers, if Gus is to be belaved. The only person actually not Meta-gaming wold be Griffon and shes actually chaotic. AND A BARBARIAN. I think everyone but Ryan and Griffon deserves a meta-gaming punishment as even the dm at this point has a bias against him and hasn't stopped the meta-gaming like he should. Also an apology. And a free level for Ryan. #Ryansinnocent

    • Khelton FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Gus with 1 S, Bo Jingles. 

    • Eamen FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Yup, I'm terrible with names and spelling. Thank you for that. :)

  • Wavebird FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    So it's not OK for Albus to kill a defenseless crow that gave up but it's OK for Both Jingles to do it. That's some screwed up logic.

  • GeminiRB FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    My favorite thing is that most if not all comments in the comment section on here, Reddit, the actual video, is that no one likes the shitting on Albus/Ryan. 

  • JohnVuojo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The Wanderer

    8 months ago

    Others have said this already, so I'll be blunt. Stop being mean to Ryan. It's one thing being against stealing and killing that one guy, but branding him as evil is just wrong.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      He is evil. He killed 3 Drows whom he promised to spare, whilst the party kept telling him not to. Even Bo Jingles had to save one drow from Albus by drawing a dick on his face and tying him up on a stalagmite. 


      However, since then Albus has been less evil, I think it's just being in the caves that caused him to go evil/insane. Seriously, rewatch the series, before they entered the caves Albus was chaotic, in the caves he was evil as shit, the moment they reached the sewers he toned down his evilness by a lot. The past 5 episodes he's been pretty chaotic neutral, but from episodes 9-16 he was definitely neutral evil. 

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      @Delta201

      It was hypocritical of Bo though since he killed a Drow that was trying to surrender before that. And Albus has pointed out that this episode was the first time something he's done has directly hurt the party.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @darktemplar7

      I don't recall Bo killing any unarmed Drow before Albus did. I recall Albus killing a Drow after it prayed to its God, Albus and Orma hydrating it while Mogar and Bo stayed away, Albus murdering a Drow prisoner while Bo saved the other one.


      In each of the situations, here's how it went:

      First time fighting Drow after Gelatinous Cube fight, one surrenders and Albus asks for information. He draws a map, Albus then mentions killing him to which he responds by praying to the spider goddess in deep, Albus whimsically says "Let's not keep them separated then" and kills him.


      Second time, a Drow was barely alive, and Albus and Orma promise to give him water in exchange for information, from the very beginning they intended to kill him and after getting information they did so.


      Third time, 2 Drows surrendered, Michael wants to leave them, Bo wants to tie them up. Albus interrogates them and kills one after sensing deceit, this one is justifiable and doesn't necessarily put Albus into Neutral Evil. But he promised to spare the Drow in the first place, so Bo takes the remaining one and ties him up before Albus can murder him.


      Nope, Bo doesn't seem to be hypocritical at any point. He's chaotic, Albus when he was in the cave is neutral evil, in the city and the forest he's chaotic neutral. He did nothing Evil ever since the sewers, but he definitely did evil in the caves.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      @Delta201

      It was I believe the first encounter they had with them. They were trying to surrender and Bo Thunder Claps one after he finds out they were slavers. And Albus could in a very loose sense be justified in killing them because after that encounter one that escapes leads more Drow to them. Now I'm not saying he'd got any moral high ground or anything, but he's done nothing but help the party this whole time.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @darktemplar7


      Really? I don't believe that's the case, atleast I don't remember that being the case. And I just finished rewatching the series last week. Also I am more doubtful since the Drow escaping and bringing more to them wasn't even the same encounter, and Bo Jingles wouldn't waste a spell slot of Thunder Clap on killing a Drow slaver. 


      I'm not saying Albus hasn't helped the team at all. He and Bo have been nothing but useful THROUGHOUT THE SERIES. My statement simply says that Albus is Neutral Evil, and rightfully deserves so for his actions in the caves. He even wanted to kill Sanji before she did anything bad, and Mogar had to tell Albus that Sanji hadn't done anything bad so they had no reason or right to do anything to her. He was neutral evil in the caves, maybe since he got out he's been better, much better, but he was Neutral Evil and that's a fact.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      @Delta201

      He does indeed kill someone who's trying to surrender. It was in episode 9, but he does do so because he learns who they were. And yes, he does actually waste a spell slot on that, though it was Thunder Wave. And I probably have the guy escapes encounter wrong.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @darktemplar7 

      I see, but it isn't really hypocritical either ways. Bo never promised to spare them, Albus did twice, and promised to give water once, he never kept his promise any of those times. 


      Albus definitely shouldn't be bashed on constantly by fucking Bor Ealis, but Bo isn't worse than Albus, and Albus was definitely Neutral Evil at one point.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      @Delta201

      I beg to differ that Bo isn't worse then Albus. He's constantly setting fires with no regard for the safety of either innocent bystanders or his comrades after all. And killing someone attempting to surrender is at least as bad as when Albus did. Though I do agree that Bor is being unreasonable. And I just re-watched the "hydrate" episode, and it was Orma that killed him, Albus just said to do so, so she's as much to blame for that one.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @darktemplar7 

      That's why Bo is Chaotic. Starting fires in a building you can escape from easily won't harm anyone, but it definitely will destroy all the personal property's in the armoury of the regular people.

      Jeremy Orma was very much to blame too in that episode, that's why her alignment changed since episode 1 too. Because of the different personalities the different Orma's have. I don't know why I keep getting modded for lame, Albus was very much Neutral Evil in the caves, even if he is not Neutral Evil now. 

  • Wreaxz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Ryan is honestly the best/funnest player at the table. When something interesting is going on, I look at him and wait for him to capitalise. I expected Frank to be a little more in depth, but it seems he likes to take things at face value. How can you brand someone as Evil, when the actual individual thinks his actions are justified. Not like, "Oh, I need to find an excuse for this now.", but more akin to "I did it for this reason."

    I get that they're going for comedy, by railing on Albus constantly. But they're coming across as a bunch of douche bags with nothing better to do. I would be mad as well if I was Ryan, probably wouldn't even want to come back at that point.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      He's labelled as neutral evil, not chaotic evil...


      Let's see, Ryan justifying kill Drow prisoners 3 times-


      First: 

      Drow (in deep) praying to spider goddess

      Albus: "OH let's not keep him away from his God"

      *Eldritch blast*


      Second

      Drow: I want some water now that I got my information

      Albus: Orma go 'hydrate' him

      Orma: k

      *Orma smash*


      Third

      Albus: Do I sense him lying?

      Frank: Yes

      *Eldritch blast*

      Bo Jingles: that's fucked up- *takes the other prisoner from Albus to save him and ties him to a stalagmite and draws a dick on his face*


      Albus ' justification for all: "Yeah, but they were lying! (Sensed motive for only the third one, the second one he planned to kill from the beginning, the first was impromptu and shocked everyone)"


      Albus' justification for stealing: "Listen, now he's attacking us ok! That means he wasn't so nice, and you guys stole too!"

      Others: "No we did not"

      Albus: "Ok maybe, but still! You ratted me out Bor Ealis! You're mean!"


      Anyways, Bor Ealis is the only one who keeps bringig it up Albus stealing. It's just that whenever Albus tries to shift the blame or defend himself Mogar and Orma are like "No, you were wrong" and that's it. Albus then shifts the blame to Bo Jingles who immediately defends himself and attacks Albus too. Gus and himself are the main reason for them shitting on him so hard, the others don't really care so much but it's just brought up so much they side with the most rational sounding one, Albus being neutral evil. To be fair, Albus stopped being evil after that third Drow killing incident, he even said the Paladins were his moral compass now, it's just that his past actions have been brought up again now and Gus is so fucking annoyingly bringing it up every second, like he did with the Kenku and Sanji. Seriously, sometimes he's funny and sometimes he's so fucking annoying. It's like Gus is funny in the first recording session, but when the session goes on for too long he just gets plain annoying because he's running out of material for jokes and just brings up the same shit over and over again.





    • Wreaxz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Let me match your 'reasoning' then. 

      1: He's praying to an evil deity. IF Mogar, or Bor Ealis could understand deep. That Drow would have been paste in under a second, if not, then both Paladins are not correctly living up to their class. Especially since Bor Ealis is a racist, bigoted man with a religion based superiority complex.
      Done.


      2: Guys a Drow slaver. He rapes/slaughters innocents, he kills or enslaves parents and steals the children for profit. The children are probably sold as manual slaves, house slaves, or even sickeningly, sex slaves. You defending their deaths, indicates your lack of foresight. 


      3: He's lying. He's clearly, fucking, lying. What is wrong with you dude? The guy wants to go back to doing the aforementioned... You would just let that filth walk free? I would argue, killing him would be a lawful good thing to do.


      That's not his only justification. It really isn't, you're trying to build an argument that is completely biased against Albus. But lets just accept your reasoning, why not? It doesn't make a difference. Even if his reasoning was "Just didn't like 'em"  considering WHO he was killing, it didn't matter. If it were random mercs that he knew nothing about, and he was killing them, fine. I agree with you 100% But it's not mercs. They're slavers. You're looking at them as if they're innocent people on the streets...


      Don't badmouth the cast. It's a big no-no and it highlight's your immaturity. Your argument seems a little less cohesive than it already is when you talk like that. Also, take a look at the ratings between my initial comment, and yours before you reply. Consider the difference, people don't agree with you. Your thinking isn't very logical. Sure, you can go and re-watch episodes, quote people all you want, even timestamp them. But it all goes down the drain when you don't think two steps ahead about situations, and let your mindset towards an individual influence your opinion on the characters in the game.


    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @Wreaxz


      Mogar, Bor Ealis, and Bo, each time said "Let's just kill them and don't promise them anything", that's why Albus is evil. Because each time he promises one thing, and then kills them instead. Clearly, Frank agrees with me on this because he changed Albus' alignment after these moments, Albus' first time killing the Drow was literally whimsical and had no justification behind it, the second one was planned from the beginning meaning he had malicious intent from start to finish, the third one was the only justifiable one as he sensed deceit. So what if Albus is Neutral Evil? Doesn't mean he and Bo aren't my favourite characters in the series.


      "Don't badmouth the cast"


      I only badmouthed Gus, don't get me wrong, I love Gus in the podcasts and other live action shit he's in, but I genuinely found him annoying this episode of H&H, and some times find him slightly irritating in the long recording sessions of H&H. And I don't even think it's Gus, since I find him fucking hilarious everywhere else, it might just be Bor's character that Gus knows is an asshole so Gus does his best to be an asshole.


      "That's not his only justification. It really isn't, you're trying to build an argument that is completely biased against Albus."


      That is his only justification, he literally only defends himself by saying "There was only one time with that Drow and I only stole once", rewatch the goddamn episode. Albus is fucking Neutral Evil, that's why after episode 17, he states he's using the fucking paladins as his moral compass, so he won't do bad shit again, and he hasn't done bad shit since the caves obviously. It's just that him stealing was brought up in the previous episode and for some reason Bor Ealis was triggered over such a goddamn small thing.


      "But it all goes down the drain when you don't think two steps ahead about situations, and let your mindset towards an individual influence your opinion on the characters in the game."


      When did I let that happen? I fucking love H&H, it's my favourite show and I love each and every characters here. Just because I find Gus annoying sometimes, like in this episode and in episode 2 and 19?(forgot the episode number but it was when Bo was trying to get information in Jackalheart and Bor was being a prick), doesn't mean shit since it's my favourite fucking series and I love the whole cast and wouldn't want it to change. You're the one who called them douche bags in your initial comment.

    • Wreaxz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Did just realise that I have completely wasted my time in replying in the first place. Everything I said seemed to just go through one of your ears and come out the other, like my points hadn't even been made. I see your mind is set, and you aren't exactly up to the task of having a civil debate without having your disposition riveted on the fact that your logic is flawless and perfect. I won't be replying here anymore, as I do not wish to be arguing against a broken record. Your whimsical quoting, your inability to read between lines, your disregard for any reasoning I have put forth, your literal take on everything said, as if you actually believe that I thought you exist as a broken record player, and not a human being... Need I go on? Of course I do, as you will dispute everything I said or outright ignore it. As I said, I'm done here. I can see you commenting on every single post about Albus and your reaction to it all is the same. Disregard the other person completely and pick on the little things that have no significance in the arguments before restating your initial oh so flawless argument. Have a good day mate, you've just lost the attention of someone who was fully willing to have an intellectual debate with your idiocy. 

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      @Wreaxz 

      I'm willing to has a civil discussion too bud, I really don't know where you're getting that from? Sure, I am alittle but vulgar but that's simply how I talk and if you really want me to counter all your points then I will. Also, I'm going to tone down my vulgarity.


      "He's praying to an evil deity. IF Mogar, or Bor Ealis could understand deep. That Drow would have been paste in under a second, if not, then both Paladins are not correctly living up to their class. Especially since Bor Ealis is a racist, bigoted man with a religion based superiority complex. 
      Done."


      My point isn't that Albus killed him that made him evil. It's that at this situation, he promised to spare him initially, then went back on his word whimsically and decided to kill the Drow without putting much thought into it. Arguably, this could be more aligned to being chaotic, acting that way simply because he wants to, but it definitely fits into "A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want". He was willing to lie and hurt the Drow without a care simply to get the information he wants. But this by itself isn't necessarily enough to make Albus a Neutral Evil character, but this wasn't an isolated incident.


      "Guys a Drow slaver. He rapes/slaughters innocents, he kills or enslaves parents and steals the children for profit. The children are probably sold as manual slaves, house slaves, or even sickeningly, sex slaves. You defending their deaths, indicates your lack of foresight."


      I'm not defending their deaths, I'm pointing out that from beginning to end of the whole incident, Albus had malicious intent. He didn't get Orma to kill him because he found him to be evil, he was killed because Albus had no more use for him. The Drow deserved to be killed, but not lied to and extracted for information before being killed, that speaks a lot for your character- hence Mogar and Bo's "Let's just kill him and get on with it" before the incident. 


      "He's lying. He's clearly, fucking, lying. What is wrong with you dude? The guy wants to go back to doing the aforementioned... You would just let that filth walk free? I would argue, killing him would be a lawful good thing to do."


      Yes, he's lying. This is the only one that is justifiable for killing the Drow. The Drow was lying and was going to continue on his ways of slaving. The thing however that made this situation bad, was that it's a follow up to the past two incidents, so you'd have to doubt the integrity of Albus' actions. I mean, just after this happens, Albus suggests killing Sanji with no clue that she is evil, and simply because he wants her to be over and done with- "A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want"


      "That's not his only justification. It really isn't, you're trying to build an argument that is completely biased against Albus. But lets just accept your reasoning, why not? It doesn't make a difference. Even if his reasoning was "Just didn't like 'em"  considering WHO he was killing, it didn't matter. If it were random mercs that he knew nothing about, and he was killing them, fine. I agree with you 100% But it's not mercs. They're slavers. You're looking at them as if they're innocent people on the streets..."


      Albus has very little to no justification for killing the Drow the way he did. After all that happened, and the party constantly calling him out for it, he decided to use the Paladins as his moral compass. 


      I'm not looking at WHO he's killing, I'm looking at the intentions as to WHY he's killing. I'm not saying their innocent, I'm saying he shouldn't have made false promises to them in the first place, because it diminishes your integrity and shows you lack compassion. It's his intentions that make him Neutral Evil.


      "Don't badmouth the cast. It's a big no-no and it highlight's your immaturity. Your argument seems a little less cohesive than it already is when you talk like that. Also, take a look at the ratings between my initial comment, and yours before you reply. Consider the difference, people don't agree with you. Your thinking isn't very logical. Sure, you can go and re-watch episodes, quote people all you want, even timestamp them. But it all goes down the drain when you don't think two steps ahead about situations, and let your mindset towards an individual influence your opinion on the characters in the game."

      I don't let that happen, simple as that. I simply got tired of seeing people defend Albus as a non-Neutral Evil character, when clearly his actions in the cave make him so. Perhaps NOW, he hasn't done anything like that in 6 episodes, perhaps now he isn't Neutral Evil anymore as he learnt the error of his ways, but I'm pointing out that he was Neutral Evil in the caves. 


      Also, for simply saying "I love Albus, but he's neutral evil" I got modded for lame, I think it's because people think he's not Neutral Evil, that's why our ratings have such a huge disparity.


      Yes, my mind is set. But yours is too, I really don't see the fallacy in asserting my position, sure I seemed to have ignored your points in my reply, but I didn't. I thought my first point in my previous reply was enough, guess it wasn't. My point is, regardless of the status of the recipients of Albus' antics in the caves, we have to look at Albus' intentions. Furthermore, Albus quickly concedes his arguments for each of those incidents, he doesn't even try to justify those killings that much. That's why I believe he's a Neutral Evil character, or was a Neutral Evil character. Currently, he's more aligned to Chaotic Neutral like he was when he shagged that old lady, but in his time in the caves, he acted rather maliciously. 


      You probably won't reply to this since you stated you won't, but I'm replying since you've gotten the wrong impression of me simply because I got tired of seeing people justify Albus when Ryan didn't even try to, and decided to reply to every comment in here. I love Albus and Ryan, but he was Neutral Evil in the caves, and I won't back down as you've pointed out. 






  • geniusjedi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Jesus Christ. I wanted to watch the post show in hopes that I could get 10 straight minutes of H&H without the whole Borealis/Albus conflict. Oh well.

  • Evil_Matt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold [spoiler][/spoiler]

    8 months ago

    Listen, I get that they like ragging on Ryan, but Gus blaming Ryan for the dragon, saying the gem was the cause of it?


    The dragon was showing up either way! That was caused by Geoff's meta-gaming, it was just convenient to work it into the plot by making it come for the gem. I actually love that Frank incorporated the punishment in an actual, story driven way. Frank's the DM I wish I had!


    And I, for one, welcome our eventual Cumberbatchian overlord! May I be the last of the squishies to go!

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Plus they were also saying that he's constantly causing problems for the party, when the reality is that Albus has been the only one to try to defuse problems without resorting to violence.

    • Delta201

      8 months ago

      Pretty sure Bor Ealis is the only one who says that. 

  • razor_tail FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    It is because of Heroes and Halfwits that I started to play DnD

  • flamespirits FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Hopefully someone can answer this: Where did they get their figurines from for their characters and enemies? I started a D&D group and we're struggling to find figures. I'm in Ontario but I can try and order from the USA... prefer to avoid border fees though. Anyone help?

    • Uousaou FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Griffon makes them or at least some of them. I remember Geoff mentioning their house being full of them.

    • GeminiRB FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      They either have some kind of Hobby shop they can buy them from or probably order them online. Some of them are personally edited by them I believe. Think that was in an early Post Show.

  • MichaelWaite FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ponetastic

    8 months ago

    I can't wait until Ryan, after quietly seething for months, finally enacts his plan and sacrifices them all to the Raja in order to gain the power to become a Lich, and then destroys the Raja and rules over all of Jackalheart forevermore as a tyrannical despot.

  • moyes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    I'd get angry too if I had 2+ people shitting on me for 2-4 hours.


    I really like H&H but it's starting to leave a bitter aftertaste.

    • BraddonDent FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      I can't imagine what I would do if my friends did that to me. I'm talking about Albus, I bet Ryan is fine.

  • Tuozz0 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Just a Toaster

    8 months ago

    i don't understand all this hate for last episode. Everyone in AH gets poke fun at by each other all the time. That's their style. You're all being too sensitive.

    • Gamer3427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold taC terceS

      8 months ago

      Well I think the reason Ryan may be more annoyed is because the entire party was calling him out and getting upset with him over stealing once without telling the party, but Geoff gets off with no consequences when he's been literally burning down the buildings the party was in, and has apparently been doing so in secret since the beginning. Not to mention all the other things Geoff has done, like the incident with Sanji......

    • Tuozz0 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Just a Toaster

      8 months ago

      @Gamer3427 but none of you are ryan. im sure he was mad or annoyed at the moment. but then was fine later. its not like they sent him home crying. think of it this way, no one gets mad at the On the Spot players for ragging on John because thats just how the game's played. 

    • j4sonm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      I think everyone is upset because they spent like the first 10 minutes of the episode bitching about Albus committing a small evil (stealing) while standing in, and ignoring the greater evils (arson & murder) Bo has committed, and then proceed to spend an hour bitching at the exact same thing to any npc who will listen while not furthering the plot at all. Its not necessarily the shaming Ryan, its the degree to which they do it which is starting to make it unenjoyable to watch.

    • Tuozz0 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Just a Toaster

      8 months ago

      @j4sonm i can understand people wanting them to progress through the campaign. But the banter is the best part imo. I love the campaign's story just as much as anyone else and i do want to see what happens next but i love when they rag on each other. If they just played the game without any witty remarks, i think it would be boring. I'll make another comparison to another show, if they made theater mode just sitting there and watching i bet people would find that boring. Plus if they just progressed through the campaign as quickly as they can the show would end too quickly. Them wasting time = more episodes = longer show

    • j4sonm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      @Tuozz0 I love the banter as much as the next guy. Michael completely losing his shit at Ryan last season was the best part of the entire show, but that was quick and justified. For me, this was like listening to a shit song on replay for an hour which I and apparently many others don't see as necessary or entertaining. Difference in taste I guess.

  • j4sonm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    I know everyone at RT has characters of themselves and Gus is the bitchy old man who hates everyone, but man that last episode really fused the worst parts of that character, and Bor. I'm not going to say I won't be able to watch if he keeps pulling this shit on Ryan, but I hope he at least sees some of these comments and tones it down a bit. I mean seriously I don't even play DnD and I know he shouldn't still have his original alignment with the way he's been playing. But knowing Gus he's probably going to brush it off and call everyone else babies or something for caring so much.

  • jayeto FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    ok im only half way through and thats BS. the water thing was to a slave trader. the only "evil" thing ryan has done is take the gem which is nothing. geoff still puts his party in danger and gus is still a racist but suppose to be a paladin.... but ryan is evil for taking a gem? really?

    • theamazingmetapanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      Stealing in of itself isn't even evil. You have to do something with genuinely malicious intent for the act to be evil. The water thing was... iffy on the alignment bit, but ultimately should have been said as "Hey, be careful about doing that type of stuff, if your actions are outright malicious then you're gonna face an alignment shift" not "Oh yeah, your alignment shifted without me telling you, unless you've not watched this post show, which is how you found out". Hell, not even having an Imp for a familiar is an inherently evil act. Now if he had an imp familiar and then let it do whatever the hell it wanted, then hell yes that'd be evil. 

    • CoraxDCLXVI FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      8 months ago

      I agree that the hydration thing was iffy but definitely doesn't justify an alignment change. And if it did, it should affect them all. They agreed as a party to do it, and Orma actually smashed his face in with her maul. The only difference between them and Albus was that he was the only one being open, honest, and logical about something they all agreed on and wanted to do. He has no interest in and isn't bound by the "rules" or societal norms, which is a very chaotic neutral thing. As far as I can tell, he's never done anything with genuinely malicious intent. His morals/ethics and way of thinking might be different from the norm, but that doesn't make him evil.
      Not to mention that Bo Jingles and Bor Ealis have done far worse and a hell of a lot more to warrant an alignment shift. Bo Jingles regularly lies and puts the party and innocents in danger for selfish reasons. Plus there was the whole Sanji thing. And Bor is a selfish, judgmental racist who constantly causes friction and division in the party. I've yet to see anything "good" in his personality. 
      And the imp familiar definitely isn't evil since it's not even a true imp. It's only a familiar taking the form of an imp. Regardless of form, it remains the same being and shares the alignment of it's owner.

  • LordSykos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    If they just keep shitting on Ryan next episode I might actually consider dropping this. I love this show but this seriously just takes away from my enjoyment of it.

  • Gildarts FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold That Guy

    8 months ago

    As much as I enjoy the shitting on Ryan, he's still the only one who is staying true to his alignment. Gus should have lost his paladin abilities long ago. Also no a fan of changing a character without telling the player. Ryan should have some input into his character.

    • Gamer3427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold taC terceS

      8 months ago

      Not to mention that Ryan hasn't done anything necessarily evil, aside from possibly stealing the gem. The one guy he's murdered was literally an evil NPC who said that if he was released would go back to slaving. That falls fully into the neutral category, since he was committing an "evil" act for a "good" purpose. It would have been evil if he had killed him for no reason other than "because I wanted to murder him".....

  • Viper0hr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    H&H needs to get to the point where we get an episode 2-3 hours every week haha!

    Also, more Frank, he's a good addition to the "cast" at RT. (I'm aware he is a friend of theirs not a co worker)

  • Fangtorn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    I love that these post-shows go off on weird tangents.

  • SirDubbington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Of The Red Mountains

    8 months ago

    I really am happy that you guys and other YouTubers are doing DnD videos, because I had always wanted to play but I did not have friends that were interested in playing it while I was a kid.  So watching these videos are allowing me to experience something that I would not have been able to experience before which is really cool.