#21 Post Show

Heroes & Halfwits: #21 Post Show

The gang talks about what to expect from season 2, meta, longer episodes and more.

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  • icrman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    I would like to see them fight funhaus as one of those things they do after the season. (like the hord mode thing) 

  • DreaYoungken98 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    a couple things:

    1) like most people are saying on here, keep the metagaming! Sure ya'll can do punishments or whatever, but that's part of the fun :DDD


    2) Though I like that the rotating Ormas are a thing, the fact that they usually have someone lined up beforehand to take over for a round or two makes me think that maybe that person could play a temp character that they encounter or something. Just so that each person they bring on can essentially be their own character. Don't get me wrong, I love this Orma gag, but it'd be nice for Griffon not to disappear when we have the potential to maybe add in a 5th player once in a while. (I do understand that maybe Frank didn't have any side characters written in, but it's just an idea)

  • Bismarckee FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Punishment should be issued with a branding . . . or one of those removable tattoos for kids.

  • Wookiefish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I use Gag the Gnome when my players meta game too much. He runs by the players and knifes them for 4 damage. Can't stop him or trap him or mitigate the damage until the DM says so. He runs by, does his damage and flees. He's my running Gag...thank you. But seriously. This is how I control my players.

  • Fera0Lian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    For a punishment i think they should have to get full costumes of their characters and dress up for the entire episode to kinda get them in the mindset of role playing and in their characters mindset. OR alternatively create a CORK! version of a like a dunce hat/mask that they would wear through the whole episode.

  • VisJ VisJ

    9 months ago

    I find it's not inherently bad to have the meta-gaming going on, esp since it does help the content... I think the problem comes too much with how constant and off putting the comments like "and then everyone dies" are, or speculating the result of roleplay/dialogue of NPCs. It becomes much less funny when said after every action taken by a hero (it's when I start tuning out and have to rewind) and makes it harder for Frank to actually continue the story/combat, keep to his characters, and keep game time to a reasonable level.
    I think punishment for that should be a "daydreaming handicap." In roleplay the character who speculates has to ignore the line of dialogue just said, in combat they lose half movement of their next turn, and if they do it as combat begins they are surprised and lose that first turn.

  • aussieaussieaussieoioioi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Have you guys thought of doing a Cyberpunk series for Frank's sci-fi ideas?

  • GrumpyDruunk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold GrumpyDruunk

    9 months ago

    Metagaming is not inherently bad, for entertainment purposes it's perfectly fine to metagame, if the DM is fine with it being in his campaign. This isn't a hardcore game in you're parents basement get over yourselves. now if we're talking punishments by all means just have it so whoever metagames the most has to take a shot every time a secret word is said during the session. all for the content >:)


    Edit: also please god let Frank do a show with any other interested RoosterTeeth peoples in a SciFi game! (future crossovers)

    • LeviBurtner

      9 months ago

      If players prefer to play a game where they metagame, I don't care.  If I did, there are so many easy ways to make whatever metagaming they're doing irrelevant.  "You see a troll" "E'RYBODY HIT IT WITH FIRE SO IT DOESN'T REGEN!"  Then they freak out when your troll regens health on its next turn.  THIS troll has to take psychic damage to stop its regen!  But that's just making your players do random things until they 'find out' what works--but how many 'random' things are you going to make them go through before their character 'finds out' the answer?  Both ways of 'fixing' metagaming are clunky and annoying and fun suckers.  Besides, in a world where magic and trolls are real, every farm boy would know trolls are harmed by fire--maybe not the specifics, maybe they don't know about acid, but fire, FIRE is the ticket when you see a troll!


      OK that's my rant haha

  • EVApilot_011 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I really hope we get some Ester.

  • Myloflex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold wow...since 2004...has i

    9 months ago

    I don't mind the meta gaming adds more dialogue which is always hilarious

  • PogiTangkad FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I really hope this series gets animated.  It would be excellent to see the full action and also super hilarious with the banter/dialogue

  • PeeryThAHGuy

    9 months ago

    Must take a shot of Jack Daniels Gentlemen's Jack (Ryan must as well [he can mix it with his Diet Coke if he wishes]) every time you meta game (side note I chose Jack Danjel's Gentlemen's Jack due to the fact that it has Jack in the name twice and I think the ad Goblin (Jack) shhould serve it every time

  • Kloule FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Jack was incredible as the ad goblin.

  • DonutsInSpace FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    10 push-ups for meta-gaming.

  • SnowboundRonin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Homo Ninguis

    9 months ago

    The meta-gaming has some of the best comedy in the show. Hopefully it doesn't go away.

  • FrumpyBug FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold FlavoredTwist

    9 months ago

    when meta gaming trip accident roll d-4. 1-2 falls and takes 1 d-4 damage if 3-4 then able to catch self. if during combat no damage but will still fall over 

  • reasarian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Please meta game more!

  • darkace1769 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    i don't view it as"meta gaming" because its for content however i really don't care cause what they are doing is making this FCUKING AWESOME and entertaining every second. Its Role Playing at the end of the day so as long as your having fun who really cares

  • Ninthmetaphor FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I think metagaming is fine as long as it doesn't affect the game. That's how my group does it anyway. 


    For the metagaming that does affect the game, that should be punished. I like the inspiration die idea that IrishSoldier had if you want to punish the whole group for someone metagaming, or if you want to just punish only the offending person give them disadvantage in the next fight. 

  • CastleBoss FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I don't mind the metagaming at all, it makes for more interesting conversations and such imo.

  • GobiTodic FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    No, keep the metagaming. Some of the best moments like Michael and Ryan screaming at each other for the shopping came from metagaming.

  • MacDaddyMuffin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I actually don't mind the meta gaming.

  • Gildarts FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold That Guy

    9 months ago

    Maybe this is due to H&H being my first experience with D&D, but I honestly never notice the met-gaming until you call it out in the episodes.


    That being said if it is a problem then maybe do a roll for wild magic with a higher chance for something to happen. i.e. More numbers than 1 and 20 to get an effect.

    • HPKSquid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      better yet give frank a slip of paper he tends to forget about Wild magic xD. 

  • TommyBoy50 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    For meta gaming the player who meta games must role a D20 and if it lands a 1 or 20 the player is subjected to a effect based on a table made either by Frank or other fans. That way the half wits can either benefit or destroy the player.

  • GOF_Samuel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I understand how meta gaming sucks for the players, but does anyone else in the audience also like meta gaming? I like when they do it because I can learn a bit more about their thinking and about the game itself.  I wouldn't want to see a punishment. 

  • thirsten55 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I Love the metagaming. Keep it in, it makes the show better IMO

  • KelTheKing FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    yall should take a shot every time you metagame

  • QueenKuvira FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    My biggest gripe is the rotating ormas griffon is the best! Where does she always go? It really sucks seeing how quiet and confused the new ormas are.

  • UltimateZanburr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    i think that the post show should go 1 week after the episode airs that way its still kinda a weekly thing 

    • SirDubbington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Of The Red Mountains

      9 months ago

      Totally agree with this. 

    • Ifrit9 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ifrit

      9 months ago

      Or at least have the post shows be longer to match

    • darkace1769 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      i agree and maybe make it longer like 20-30 mins to review and give the community fan art and "reasons" of some of the actions and choice they may have made 

  • EpleptkRobot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Burnie for Orma! Please!

  • IrishSoldier

    9 months ago

    I dont mind the metagaming. but if youre looking for punishments, i say for when they metagame have the next batch of enemies they fight have inspiration die to use against them.


    also an idea for when you guys are on break and want to make a special episode. have a non-canonical scenario where your group fights against funhaus' group

  • Kriscerosaurus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Personally, the metagaming isn't a big deal. I mean, honestly, are you really here watching this because you were looking for tight, disciplined D&D? Come on. It's like people whining about TFS's decisions during their Nuzlocke runs. We're here to see the RT guys and gals having fun. Relax. Take a deep breath. It will be okay. 


    HOWEVER!!

    That being said, I imagine it gets to be a bit of a headache for poor Frank when he's just trying to move the story along. I saw another comment where someone suggested a 1-20 chart of penalties, and that sounds fucking awesome. I can only imagine the hilarious stuff they (we?) could come up with. Leave it up to Frank to decide when he's had enough; flag gets thrown, offender(s) roll, hilarity ensues, gameplay resumes.


    Anyway, that's just my two cents. The way I look at it, we're here to have fun and to watch THEM having fun, otherwise you're doing it wrong. 

    • Dustland FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      Man this is a really good idea and I agree with everything you said!  Also it's nice to see some crossover between the RT and TFS crowd

  • antstar12 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Can we get Burnie on for an episode, I would like to see how he plays D&D

  • bigbert

    9 months ago

    Make them drink (a single swallow) for every meta gaming occurance. over a 2+ hours long episode, that'll be entirely too much booze for comfort if they dont learn to restrain themselves. Plus, extra entertainment for the audience.

  • axmiller FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    OH MY GOD!!!! ORMESTHER!!!!

  • madwun FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Metagaming is fun. It seems like that's where most of the jokes come from.

    If it is slowing the game down, a stern talking-to after the recording might be best

  • Creepy-Internet-Guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    For meta gaming make them cosplay as their character with more and more gear added and once they are fully geared they have to make a video of them walking around down town Austin... and role play as their characters!

    • axmiller FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      That would be fine until Bor Ealis starts to show his racist side.

    • Creepy-Internet-Guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      Diesirae4, It won't be a problem because everyone is human, he just hates Non-Humans.

  • ErikSade FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Personally, I like the metagaming. it's rarely boring and usually hilarious watching them argue :)

  • SarahOlivier29 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Canadian Girl

    9 months ago

    the story can just continue going while metagaming is going on. getting punished for metagaming would be boring and not fun for both players and people watching 

  • Versen FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I wouldn't be too harsh about the meta, it'll taper out with more experience.


    But since you asked, spankings!


    No but really, maybe if it reaches too much of a point, God DM Frank can toss out a Silence on the offender (if you want to really make it hurt, you could say it effects the character as well but that might be a little much and mostly go against casters). First offence could be a minute, second three, third can be five.


    Theres also making a 1 to 20 chart, just like wild magic but with penalties or just weird effects (some of which might even be a buff if used right, always encourage creativity). I could help whip that up.


    Or as always, physical stuff. Maybe a special came for either push or sit ups. Ten per instance maybe? Maybe more?


    Or you know. Spankings.

    • Kriscerosaurus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      Ah! Here it is! I knew I'd seen a suggestion for a penalty chart somewhere. I dig it.


      Or, yeah. Spankings.

  • SeanTFlynn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RT Activist

    9 months ago

    I thought 3 hours was fantastic

  • Nahiko FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    3hours was a great length 

  • Vhoxz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I don't think metagaming should be punished. Punishments always lead to the same thing; The game get's less fun for the people playing it. People just quit or they are so afraid of getting a punishment that they don't even RP anymore. They get so careful when playing that there are no impulsive decisions being made and the game gets incredibly boring.

    The only punishment that has ever worked is if the DM is increasingly more unpredictable when people metagame by making encounters and puzzles harder or a bit more random.
    In the end D&D is supposed to be fun with friends, yes it's a RP game but for me it's about having fun in the first place. 

    • SarahOlivier29 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Canadian Girl

      9 months ago

      I agree

  • shoyle493 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Punishment Idea:  Need to suck on one of those Jeremy-Mouth-Destroying-Sour-Balls during the next combat.

  • Chad1888 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I'd love to see Adam as a permanent character, having someone other than Frank who is (or atleast seems to be) incredibly knowledgeable about D&D made it really interesting.  

    • Chad1888 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      And Geoff literally just described how experienced Adam is....

    • Averillex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      It would be nice to have Adam as a 6th character! Especially since twits and crits has 6 party members.

  • RowCope FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    So is the party's eventual adventure in space gonna be when they find out that Albus is actually a fragment of the essence of a transdimensional being, and that the rest of him is his pet ferret? Because no joke, that would be pretty awesome

  • cobiwankenobi

    9 months ago

    Adam should have a permanent spot between Ryan and Gus!!!!

  • Dustland FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    I don't necessarily feel meta gaming should be overtly punished, although trying to curb it as much as possible would be nice.  However I do think that enforcing characters alignments and the way personality traits on the character sheet translate to role playing in the room.  

    • Gamer3427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold taC terceS

      9 months ago

      I disagree entirely on the character alignment thing. Enforcing character alignment means forcing the DM's interpretation of the alignment, rather than the player's interpretation when they had the character's motivations and personality in mind. It also severely limits the actions a player can take if you restrict them based on character alignment, rather than allow freedom of choice, which is the exact opposite of what you want in a light D&D experience. At most I'd say have the "official" character alignment change based on actions the player takes, rather than force the actions to fit the alignment that was created prior to the situations the character encounters. People's frames of mind change as they encounter different events in the world, so someone who was considered to be evil before can take actions that slowly changes them to be considered "neutral" or even "good" over time, and a "good" character could be corrupted by the events they see and are forced to deal with, becoming more "evil" as a result. I can see some scenarios where forcing the alignment can enhance the roleplaying aspect, but in most it just lessens it by restricting player choice and forcing them to act a certain way.....

    • Augmented_Smurf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Smurf

      9 months ago

      @Gamer3427 I believe (and this may just be my experience in 2nd and 3.5 editions talking) that there is a system in place that actually adds and retracts good/evil/chaotic/lawful points, that add up, based on the DM's interpretation of your actions. When those points are added up to a certain point, your official alignment changes to reflect your actions that have led up to that point.

    • Gamer3427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold taC terceS

      9 months ago

      @Augmented_Smurf I don't believe there's any system such as that in place in 5e, though I haven't looked too closely at that particular mechanic. It seems fair enough though in terms of changing it from a "observer" standpoint. I just don't care for the concept of forcing players to act a certain way as their character based on the alignment they wrote down. Obviously though, you can't ignore it completely and have someone claim to be "lawful good" all while slaughtering babies and drinking the blood of goats just "because they can".....


      I'd say that a character's alignment should only exist as a form of "reputation" system, with its bearing only on certain artifacts that require a certain alignment, or how NPCs view a character prior to personally interacting with them. I believe I remember Frank mentioning at one point in an episode, (I think the one where they were exiting the sewers?), that he does have a reputation system in place as is, where their actions will have long term effects on how others view them.....


      When viewing it outside of a reputation system, I treat alignment as based on how your character views themselves and interacts with the world from an abstract perspective, rather than a black and white "good or evil" system that a lot tend to consider it as. If a player considers themselves to be an alignment and are playing their character true to it, even when seemingly contradicting it, then have them reason how the actions fit within that alignment.....


      For example, a character that is Lawful Good may not necessarily do things that others consider just or kind, and yet still consider themselves to be so because they are following the letter and intent of the law, (be it the law of their order, kingdom law, or personal moral code), with the knowledge that from their perspective it is the "good" thing to do in the long run. In example, they could kill a thief even when he begs for mercy because the "law" states that thieves are to be executed on site, and he reasons that upholding the law now means that less criminals will think they can get away with crimes and thus he is preventing harm to innocents in the long run. Likewise an Evil character can maintain that alignment even while doing good things, should they reason it as doing so with a selfish or evil motive for the ultimate result. For example, they save a child from a bandit attack, because they want the child to live with the emotional scarring rather than have a swift death. Viewing alignments this way, the intent of the action has more bearing than the action itself.....

    • Dustland FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      @Gamer3427 Perhaps I worded this incorrectly and didn't convey what I was thinking.  The character's alignment should change if they do things outside their alignment, and there should be appropriate repercussions.  Example: Mogar, a Lawful Good Paladin, extorting Na for sexual favors she clearly had no interest in performing.  Yes, I understand that is was a joke, and I was laughing my ass off.  Yes, one million percent Mogar should have the freedom to do that.  But, since his Paladin powers come from a Lawful Good God who most likely isn't cool with that, maybe the Platinum God revokes certain Paladin privileges, or maybe Na and Father Dori decide not to help him next time he needs it.  The players should have the freedom to play whatever alignment they wish and change it in a heartbeat, but not without consequence to actions, especially not without consequence to evil actions in a (mostly) good party.  Look at Ryan's character Albus.  He was originally Chaotic Neutral, and now he's neutral evil.  He changed his actions which therefore changed his alignment.  Should he be punished for role-playing well or role-playing with freedom?  No, but now he's going to find that less and less of the party are going to back him up on moral decisions.  And unless the DM has said so, generally alignment follows the descriptions in the PHB.  Alignment is supposed to be objective so that character and NPC actions have a moral or story base that makes sense.  A lawful good gold dragon burning down a village for no reason and then not suffering an alignment change or consequences is stupid, because in role-playing/story, good characters don't do bad things just for the sake of doing them.  They do bad things because it develops the character or develops characters around them.

  • Mercenary730 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    We should get an all Orma post show with all former Orma character 

  • NerdTeacher FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    9 months ago

    Geoff seems... happy and alert?  What sorcery is this?  This is the guy who deadpanned a hanging dwarf.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      It must be a body double.